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It’s been a while since we had something from Lenny. But given the tough job market this recent episode with Phyl Terry seemed a must to include. Phyl, the author of "Never Search Alone," shares his insights on finding your dream job through strategic focus, community support, and effective negotiation tactics.
⚒️ Land Your Dream Job in Today’s Market: Negotiation Tactics, Job Search Councils, and More

Phyl Terry: Lenny’s Podcast
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📆 Published: September 12th, 2024
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Finding Your Focus 🎯
One of the most crucial steps in job hunting is identifying your "candidate market fit." Similar to finding a product-market fit, this means narrowing your search to roles and companies that align with your unique skills and interests.
Key Takeaways:
Narrow Your Search: Instead of applying to every available job, focus on roles that fit your skills and aspirations.
Understand Your Value: Determine what you want and don't want in a job. This clarity will help you target opportunities that are a genuine match.
Iterate and Adapt: As market conditions change, so should your job search strategy. Stay flexible and be ready to adjust your focus.
The Power of Job Search Councils 🤝
Phyl emphasises the importance of community support through job search councils, small groups of job seekers who meet regularly to share experiences, provide feedback, and keep each other accountable.
Key Takeaways:
Support Network: Job search councils provide emotional support and practical advice, transforming the often isolating job search process into a collaborative journey.
Accountability and Confidence: Regular meetings with peers can flip anxiety into motivation, helping you stay on track and boosting your confidence.
Leverage Collective Wisdom: By sharing stories and strategies, council members can learn from each other's experiences and avoid common pitfalls.
Networking and Asking for Help 🌐
Asking for help is not a sign of weakness but a demonstration of confidence. Whether it's seeking advice, feedback, or introductions, knowing how to effectively ask for help can open doors and create opportunities.
Key Takeaways:
Be Open and Vulnerable: When you ask for help, be honest about your situation. This authenticity can build trust and encourage others to support you.
Offer Value in Return: When reaching out for help, think about how you can reciprocate. Networking is a two-way street.
Cultivate Relationships: Building a network isn't just about reaching out when you need something. Invest in relationships over time by offering support and staying connected.
Crafting a Job Mission with OKRs 📋
A standout strategy Phyl suggests is creating your own job mission with objectives and key results (OKRs) before even landing the role. This proactive approach showcases your initiative and helps clarify mutual expectations.
Key Takeaways:
Draft a Mission Statement WITH OKRs: Outline what you envision for the role and how you plan to achieve key objectives. This not only shows your strategic thinking but also aligns you with the company’s goals.
Collaborative Clarification: Use this mission to ask insightful questions during interviews, demonstrating your interest in contributing to the company’s success.
Set Yourself Apart: By presenting a clear vision for the role, you distinguish yourself from other candidates and show that you are already thinking about how to add value.
Negotiation Tactics 💼
Negotiating a job offer can be daunting, but it's a crucial step in securing a role that meets your needs. Phyl advises using the negotiation process to set yourself up for success from day one.
Key Takeaways:
Ask for What You Need: During negotiations, discuss what resources or support you'll need to succeed in the role. This could include budget for addressing technical debt, team training, or mentorship opportunities.
Collaborative Approach: Frame your requests in a way that shows you're thinking about the company's success as well as your own.
Know Your Worth: If you believe you deserve a higher salary or better terms, ask if they are open to discussing it. Most companies are willing to negotiate if approached thoughtfully.
Job searching can be an emotional rollercoaster, especially when facing rejections or a prolonged search. Phyl stresses the importance of managing your emotional balance during this time.
Key Takeaways:
Embrace the Process: Accept that the job search process can be challenging and that everyone, even senior leaders, feels insecure at times.
Build Resilience: Use job search councils and your support network to help you stay motivated and accountable.
Practice Self-Compassion: Remember that rejections are not a reflection of your worth. Stay focused on your goals and keep pushing forward.
Final Thoughts and Action Steps 🚀
Landing your dream job is about more than just applying to roles. It's about understanding your market fit, leveraging community support, and navigating the process with a strategic mindset. Here are some action steps you can take this week:
Identify Your Candidate Market Fit: Define your ideal role and the type of company you want to work for.
Join or Start a Job Search Council: Find a group of peers who can support and guide you through the process.
Craft Your Job Mission with OKRs: Prepare a mission statement for your target role to show potential employers that you're already thinking about how to contribute.
Ask for Help: Reach out to your network for advice, feedback, and support. Remember, asking for help is a strength, not a weakness.
Prepare for Negotiation: Identify what you need to succeed in your new role and be ready to discuss these needs during the negotiation process.
By approaching your job search with a clear strategy and the right support, you can navigate the challenges of today's market and land a job that you truly love.
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📅Timestamps:
00:00:00 - The Importance of Focus in Job Searching
00:00:16 - Understanding Candidate Market Fit
00:00:57 - Introduction to Phyl Terry and His Work
00:02:09 - Helping Job Seekers Find Their Dream Jobs
00:02:29 - The Concept of Job Search Councils
00:02:56 - The Power of Community in Job Searching
00:04:28 - Phyl's Personal Connection to Job Search Councils
00:05:40 - The Scale and Impact of Job Search Councils
00:09:15 - Funding and Support for Job Search Councils
00:10:31 - Structure and Process of Joining a Council
00:12:21 - The Journey of Job Seekers in Councils
00:13:12 - Real Stories of Success from Job Search Councils
00:15:30 - The Value of Community in Job Searching
00:18:17 - Building a Safety Net for Job Seekers
00:20:29 - Tactics for Effective Job Searching
00:20:40 - Candidate Market Fit Explained
00:22:57 - The Listening Tour: Gathering Feedback
00:27:01 - Benefits of Conducting a Listening Tour
00:30:07 - Creating a Candidate Market Fit Statement
00:32:59 - Narrowing Your Focus for Job Searching
00:35:30 - Determining the Right Stage of Company
00:39:32 - Real-Life Examples of Candidate Market Fit
00:41:54 - The Importance of Iteration in Job Searching